Partial Transcript: Episode 42 (Internet Privacy & Terms of Service)

Andrew: Who owns the Internet?

Nick: Everyone saw the scandal about Instagram.  Kim Kardashian is concerned.

Andrew: Like I give a shit.

Nick: It turns out that they didn’t really change their rights.  They just specified more.  There previous terms covered that and more.

Andrew: Most terms of services are like that.  For using our services, you agree that we can do whatever  the fuck we want with your stuff.  Period.  That’s usually how the terms of service are worded.  Instead of being one sentence, it’s eight paragraphs.  We get to do whatever we want.

Nick: Anything you do with this, we own.  Anything you do with what you made on our site, we own.

Andrew: There is a little bit of a check of that, thanks to competition.  They’re not going to go crazy with using your  photos in their ads.  People will get mad and go elsewhere.

Virginia: Can you imagine being in the ad for Facebook?  First of all, they’re going to put the cute college girl who is smiling and laughing.  It’s a tasteful, happy perky girl.  My point is that the person on the ad is going to be like, “I’m on the Facebook ad!!” not like, “You just completely violated my privacy.”

Nick: A lot of it is people crying foul.  But, you understand it when it comes to photography, giving up your rights to modify your right is the most valuable right you can give up.  That’s the one thing you can sell.

Andrew: If you’re a professional photographer and you post your stuff to Facebook…

Nick: I can give you an example of this.  Flickr changed their rights a while back.  I stopped posting to Flickr, and I pulled my stuff off of there.  They wanted to start a stock photo site and just use everything.  It ended up being the Creative Commons thing where if you posted, your stuff was available to all of the net.

Andrew: If you didn’t upgrade to professional, then your stuff wasn’t protected?  That is what the Creative Commons is for.  If you’re uploading under Creative Commons, you’re explicitly stating that people can use your work.

Nick: These are people who weren’t intentionally uploading to Creative Commons.  Flickr at one point changed it to where you had to opt out of Creative Commons.  When you’re paying for a service, which I was, it was like a slap in the face.  I’m am-pro in photography.  I’ve sold my photos.  There was value in it for me to take it down.  At the same time, it’s a nice service.  It’s cool having that out there.  But, it’s kind of shady too.

Virginia: How do you handle Facebook?

Nick: I used to put up artsy stuff to show girls.

Virginia: Did you put up pictures of your living room?

Nick: Nope.

Virginia: Andrew, you missed the conversation about Nick cleaning his house for the prospect of a girl coming over after their date.

Andrew: That’s pretty standard.

Virginia: But, he will cancel dates if he doesn’t feel like cleaning his house.

Andrew:  That’s a little lazy.

Nick: Based on prospects… If it’s certain, then the house gets cleaned.

Virginia: So you used to post stuff on Facebook?

Nick: It was a job.  I used to take pictures every time I would go somewhere.  I had a bigger life online that I had in real life.  It just got to be too much work.

Virginia: But you didn’t take it down for privacy.  You just did it because there was a disconnect between your online life and your real life.

Nick: I kind of took it down for both.  Facebook, for one, has screwed up privacy so badly that no one trusts them.

Andrew: I just assume that anything I post to Facebook is public.  I assume that with everything.  Anything you post to the Internet might as well be public.

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